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Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.10 18:16:20 -
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Too expensive and too many rigs.
Not worth switching and will make you non competitive to buy in.
Will stick with POS's till they remove them.
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Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.11 12:16:59 -
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Pros:
Everything in one place and not having to juggle materials through different hangers to complete build jobs.
Cons:
Medium-Rigs too granular- see above. Would need 3-4 structures to do what I do now effectively at at 9-12 times the fuel cost and 4 times the initial investment.
Large- Would need two to do what I do now and costing 10 times more, plus 4 times the fuel cost.
XL-Now I can do what I do now in a medium POS for just 300b plus.....
1 week to unanchor- Ignore the war dec argument as that is just the cost of doing business, but if you are not moving your tower often to take advantage of lower indexes you are losing out on margin.
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Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.12 02:16:43 -
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Just for reference on how much indexes matter
A comparison of ME research on an Archon going from 9 to 10
0.1% index blank no bonus system 34m (34,512,709.71 ISK)
1.3% index system would cost 443m (443,499,237.02 ISK)
10.9% index (highest system in EVE) would cost 3.8B (3,851,935,708.95 ISK)
This is why I don't want to share the system, much less the facility, I am doing research in.
Remove indexes may help this work better.
And people in Saisio: Why are you pouring ISK out the window???
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Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.12 03:29:47 -
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Was using that as an example. Manufacturing costs are similarly effected.
And only 1% faster if you have the T2 rig.
The savings of using the low index systems justifies rotating my POS every few weeks and essential subsidizes the fuel cost.
An EC would triple the fuel in that equation negating any benefit. |
Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.12 15:54:49 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Babbet Bunny wrote:
And only 1% faster if you have the T2 rig.
Can you elaborate on this? An Azbel gets a base 10% reduction to build and research times. A high sec T2 rig gives a further 28.8% build time reduction. The hull itself increases the rig by 25% to a 36% reduction. That is a net build time of 57.6% of base, or a 42.4% reduction. I don't have a high sec station on hand to compare, but null outposts only get a 30% bonus. That's a hell of a lot more than 1% faster. The job also only costs 96.4% of the materials in said Azbel.
Currently a Hyasoda lab has 35% reduction to research not including skills and I did forget the additional hull bonus.
So 7.4% faster for 3 times the fuel and 10 times the structure cost. |
Babbet Bunny
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Posted - 2016.10.28 06:01:26 -
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Excellent update.
The fuel costs are now reasonable.
I am still troubled by the amount of rigs. Combining bonus for both T1 and T2 of a given item would reduce the unnecessary complexity and permit a T2 builder to use only one structure.
Currently the T2 ME rigs ROI is too long. Only a 0.3% material cost improvement over T1 rib in high sec (0.7% in null). Calculation based on 400 T2 frigate build cycle.
With the current stats and medium rig mess, I would not setup a medium EC for production. The research time savings and fewer rigs in this area make for perfect medium EC r & d stations.
A large production EC would double productivity over an NPC station and pay for itself in one month.
Thank you CCP Fozzie for the update.
Please revisit the rig options. Reduce the options and possibly remove the cost bonus ones.
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